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Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:53:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:Soon or Soon (TM)? Smile As always with Fozzie and I there is only Soon no Soon tm If you feel cheated because of the Ishtar "only having three bonuses" you may want to consider that actually it has 7 Sentry drone optimal Sentry drone tracking Heavy drone mwd speed Heavy drone tracking Drone damage Drone hitpoints Drone control range Counting bonuses is usually not an effective way to evaluate a ship, many of our bonuses are actually combinations of bonuses so it rarely makes sense. As the Dominix has proven, Drone tracking and range bonuses are extremely powerful and the combination of this with the rest of the improvements for HACs makes the Ishtar look very scary.
Thats like saying a hybrid gun bonus is really two bonuses because it applies to rails and blasters.. But i know what you're saying. also even with that bonus Ogres still get kited by BC's....
Ok now to the ships
Sacrilige
1. I liked the sac being able to run a Medium repper and staying cap stable.. I'm not sure if it still can.. If it can't i'm going to be sad.
2. I HATE HATE HATE that velocity bonus. Thats basically giving in to the people who want to be able to use the sac for the exact same thing as the damn zealot and thats silly aHac gangs. Should have given it a less blob friendly bonus like a application bonus to keep it different from the zealot.
Zealot I would go into my hate of counter productive bonuses Rof/capRe but the zealot is largely fine..
Cerberus
While my main complaint about the last version of the cerb was it being slow as balls. Which you seem to have addressed some.
The fact remains that flight time is a really **** bonus... Should give it an application bonus or just another velocity bonus instead.
Eagle
The eagle still has one problem.. The fact that it has a great tank while opperating at a range where almost no other ships that could be with it in a fleet will have a great tank. So it will be chilling with 60k ehp with lol sniper zealots with 10k ehp. Not really a critizizm of the ship it self i just don't see a great use for it. Also you know, it gets outperformed by tier 3's in almost every way.
Deimos
"We did look closely at the MWD cap use bonus and in the end decided that there wasn't any replacement compelling enough to warrant a change."
Rep bonus? Its the only traditional tanking bonus that isn't represented in the Hac's... i really hate how i feel like this Demios was balanced around the idea of using a shield tank........
Ishtar
Seems that my complaining about the bay bonus worked \o/
I think splitting up sentry drones and heavy drones into two different bonuses is extremelly silly.. Don't really see the point of that.
Vagabond
Why does the vagabond get five bonuses?
Thats basically what you have done with the speed thing.. The sac doesn't get all the awesome cap it used to have, why does the vagabond get to be 35% faster than any other HAC? Don't think its weak enough to warrant that....
Other then that i don't really care about it, i just think thats really stupid.
Munin
Pretty sure i will continue to not use the munin.. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:16:00 -
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Also would you stop balancing these things around the stupid ******* talos?
Thats one of the biggest issues with all of these changes, its being balanced around of class of ships thats ******* broken. The what those graphs show is basically how a talos murders the Hac at pretty much any range. Yes the sensor strength is awesome, yes the cap is nice but none of these long range hacs will be worth **** until the ABC's either get a reduction in speed or like a 25% tracking penalty. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1207
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:02:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Quote:Soon or Soon (TM)? Smile As always with Fozzie and I there is only Soon no Soon tm If you feel cheated because of the Ishtar "only having three bonuses" you may want to consider that actually it has 7 Sentry drone optimal Sentry drone tracking Heavy drone mwd speed Heavy drone tracking Drone damage Drone hitpoints Drone control range Counting bonuses is usually not an effective way to evaluate a ship, many of our bonuses are actually combinations of bonuses so it rarely makes sense. As the Dominix has proven, Drone tracking and range bonuses are extremely powerful and the combination of this with the rest of the improvements for HACs makes the Ishtar look very scary. Thats like saying a hybrid gun bonus is really two bonuses because it applies to rails and blasters.. But i know what you're saying. also even with that bonus Ogres still get kited by BC's.... Ok now to the ships Sacrilige1. I liked the sac being able to run a Medium repper and staying cap stable.. I'm not sure if it still can.. If it can't i'm going to be sad. 2. I HATE HATE HATE that velocity bonus. Thats basically giving in to the people who want to be able to use the sac for the exact same thing as the damn zealot and thats silly aHac gangs. Should have given it a less blob friendly bonus like a application bonus to keep it different from the zealot. ZealotI would go into my hate of counter productive bonuses Rof/capRe but the zealot is largely fine.. CerberusWhile my main complaint about the last version of the cerb was it being slow as balls. Which you seem to have addressed some. The fact remains that flight time is a really **** bonus... Should give it an application bonus or just another velocity bonus instead. EagleThe eagle still has one problem.. The fact that it has a great tank while opperating at a range where almost no other ships that could be with it in a fleet will have a great tank. So it will be chilling with 60k ehp with lol sniper zealots with 10k ehp. Not really a critizizm of the ship it self i just don't see a great use for it. Also you know, it gets outperformed by tier 3's in almost every way. Deimos"We did look closely at the MWD cap use bonus and in the end decided that there wasn't any replacement compelling enough to warrant a change." Rep bonus? Its the only traditional tanking bonus that isn't represented in the Hac's... i really hate how i feel like this Demios was balanced around the idea of using a shield tank........ IshtarSeems that my complaining about the bay bonus worked \o/ I think splitting up sentry drones and heavy drones into two different bonuses is extremelly silly.. Don't really see the point of that. VagabondWhy does the vagabond get five bonuses? Thats basically what you have done with the speed thing.. The sac doesn't get all the awesome cap it used to have, why does the vagabond get to be 35% faster than any other HAC? Don't think its weak enough to warrant that.... Other then that i don't really care about it, i just think thats really stupid. MuninPretty sure i will continue to not use the munin.. other HAcs got their speed boosted as well. If you want to count that as a bonus.. then the cerberus got the old vagabond speed bonus as well now! Just stop being melodramatic!
So the Vagabond isn't 32% faster than the cerb? It already has a great tank, silly sig and just great bonuses all around, it doesn't need to be that much faster. Should be the fastest imo, just not head and shoulders faster like it is now.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:03:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote: Shame you can't fit neutrons on either of them.
well since its a shield tank you can always use a reactor core II or a rig slot right? i mean in the meta everyone knows just how op the diemos is.
I think he assumed you weren't making an awful shield thorax. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:17:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:MeBiatch wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote: Shame you can't fit neutrons on either of them.
well since its a shield tank you can always use a reactor core II or a rig slot right? i mean in the meta everyone knows just how op the diemos is. I think he assumed you weren't making an awful shield thorax. pro tip never assume it makes an ass out of u and me Sheild thorax>armour thorax.
If you don't mind either having no webs or no tank.. Sure.
Sure is easier to fit atleast..
Seriously Armor/shield needs a comprehensive fitting rebalance. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:52:00 -
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But looking at all this..
What is the point of the HAC's?
What role do they serve? Because they seem to be expensive mini bc's with high res.. and that just isn't very interesting. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:56:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:But looking at all this..
What is the point of the HAC's?
What role do they serve? Because they seem to be expensive mini bc's with high res.. and that just isn't very interesting. Lets not forget that they only have 1/2 the EHP of a BC though.
Note the "mini"
I guess i should have said BAD mini bc's BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:25:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:These things are tanking beasts that cannot be easily disrupted. And they will have same or more dps than T1 cruiser variants.
They probably need to be even slower - halfway between T1 cruisers and T1 BCs. Fast enough to easily take on BCs and BSs, but slow enough to not catch and kill T1 cruiser hulls. (T1 cruisers need to have a clear mobility advantage on these HACs.).
So...
Bad... BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:56:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:X Gallentius wrote:These things are tanking beasts that cannot be easily disrupted. And they will have same or more dps than T1 cruiser variants.
They probably need to be even slower - halfway between T1 cruisers and T1 BCs. Fast enough to easily take on BCs and BSs, but slow enough to not catch and kill T1 cruiser hulls. (T1 cruisers need to have a clear mobility advantage on these HACs.).
So... Bad... Ishkur 287 m/s: Tristan 325 m/s: Ratio 0.88 Ishtar 195 m/s: Vexor 205 m/s: Ratio 0.95 Yes, the slowness of AFs is something of an issue. Not really, they (AFs) are borderline OP against other T1 frigates - but their slowness gives T1 frigates an area to be competitive. AFs (and HACs) should shine in logi situations - especially against ship hulls that are larger than they are. AFs do that really well, and their slowness makes sure they do not completely crush the engagement envelope of other frigates.
AF's really REALLY aren't borderline op but ok. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.29 20:18:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Maybe because missile velocity bonuses are even more beneficial to HAM fits than to HML fits?
/facepalm and do not forget people this made it threw 2 rounds of csm feedback... boy do i miss last years csm. what i find odd about HM's and HAM'S is that HM furies do more dps than HAM javelins do .. whats up with that?
Because they should. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.29 20:42:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Harvey James wrote: I agree with the gallente armour and blasters combo not making sense it turns the mega into a fairly average speed battleship at best not very quick and attack like when the Hype goes quicker... I was disappointed the mega lost the shield option at least give the deimos the mobility and stronger projection to make it a mini but more resilient Talos... more shield tank aswell would help Serpentis make more sense as combat armour tanky ships with their web bonus switch the falloff on them for tracking like the vindi has.
You're everything wrong with this game. no you are :P .... you and your well detailed statements
Fixed. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.29 21:14:00 -
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Ohh since the ishtar is an issue
Could we have non ******** Drone rigs?
You know, maybe a straight up drone damage rig?
Or just in general removing the apeshit crazy CPU reduction penalty from them? Because that has the be the dumbest penalty you ever put on rigs. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1214
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Posted - 2013.07.29 21:48:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Harvey James wrote:come on RISE we need some answers here :
Generally they prefer to answer the easy questions like 'hey rise what's a hac :DD'.
You're a genius at making friends
I lolled.
Also everyone suggesting to remove guns from ships.
There are very few ships where this would be acceptable.. Why? Think how much less cool your ship will look with fewer guns on it. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.30 17:41:00 -
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I'm kind of OK with most of these. Boring as **** but ok.
Only thing is that i think the Sac should get an application bonus instead of a blobbing bonus.
Cerb should get something more useful then a flight time bonus.
Deimos should get a rep bonus instead of the MWD cap bonus.
I know you really want to fit a deimos with rails for some bizare reason but i see no compelling reason to use it over a navy exeq for that. I would much rather you make it a proper blaster brawler.
Eagle should have a bonus that makes all aBC's on grid spontanioiusly explode, then it might get used. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.30 18:06:00 -
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Thorvik wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
For those of you concerned with Vaga I have to say your expectations are a bit over the top, except the complaint that the Cynabal is too good relative to Vaga, which I already said I agree with.
...
The Vaga, as you have it now, is ****. It's not a kiter and it's a poor brawler. Used to be an awesome solo ship and now..... :( Since you insist on having an XLASB on there we will be alpha'd off the field if we come across a gang with a Tornado and any other ship. Yes we don't have to fit one but to not fit one would force us into anemic DPS with smaller guns. Put a point on and become an expensive wet paper bag in space. Get rid of point and you lose your prey. It's not that the Cynabal is too good relative to the Vaga. It's better performance for the cost. Vagas are just too expensive for what you are proposing. It's original role was as a kiting solo ship. Cynabal, SFI and even the stabber is better performance for the ISK. It really saddens me but, like I said before, I'll put my Vaga away for another day.
[Vagabond, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150 Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Warrior II x5
Because this is clearly underpowered right? BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1226
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Posted - 2013.07.30 18:21:00 -
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Thorvik wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:
[Vagabond, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150 Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Warrior II x5
Because this is clearly underpowered right?
Not bad.... Now what happens when the other ships just warps off? All the DPS in the world won't do much for you then Let's sick an armor cruiser on this ship and have a Tornado near by. Cruiser tackles and you engage. Tornado warps to buddy who now has you down about half shields. Head shot from Tornado and you are toast. Small energy neut on a medium ship? It's useless against anything but a few Frigates. May as well put on a salvager... Nice try though.
So its bad because people who you don't have point on can warp away?
Or because if you are fighting another cruiser in it and a nado shows up at range you're ******? Are you addled in the head? Not to mention the fact that even a perfect shot from a Nado at half shields wouldn't alpha this (And a arty nado will have serious issues tracking this in general..)
As to the small neut comment, clearly you have never been tackled by an AF...
Stop being so bad...
As to whoever asked for stats.
23k ehp + 558 dps tanked (40k ehp once the lasb runs out) 469 dps with barrage, 568 with emp.
Whoever thinks the proposed vagabond is bad is a moron. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.30 18:25:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Thorvik wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:
[Vagabond, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150 Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Warrior II x5
Because this is clearly underpowered right?
Not bad.... Now what happens when the other ships just warps off? All the DPS in the world won't do much for you then Let's sick an armor cruiser on this ship and have a Tornado near by. Cruiser tackles and you engage. Tornado warps to buddy who now has you down about half shields. Head shot from Tornado and you are toast. Small energy neut on a medium ship? It's useless against anything but a few Frigates. May as well put on a salvager... Nice try though. So its bad because people who you don't have point on can warp away? Or because if you are fighting another cruiser in it and a nado shows up at range you're ******? Are you addled in the head? Not to mention the fact that even a perfect shot from a Nado at half shields wouldn't alpha this (And a arty nado will have serious issues tracking this in general..) As to the small neut comment, clearly you have never been tackled by an AF... Stop being so bad... As to whoever asked for stats. 23k ehp + 558 dps tanked (40k ehp once the lasb runs out) 469 dps with barrage, 568 with emp. Whoever thinks the proposed vagabond is bad is a moron. Edit: And a medium neut fits with genos if you ditch the dps rig for another shield rig. I just like deeps I still think it needs a fitting buff so it can fit arties.
Then it could fit the entire world when you put AC's on it.
More like arties themselves need a fitting buff. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.30 19:01:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:The Vaga is getting buffed at nearly everything and people are complaining about how worthless it is now; I remain confused. nearly everything what? He is being buffed on a signle thing.. on a scenario that no vaga pilot stick its vaga ever...
Pretty sure the standard Vaga has had an ASB on it since they were introduced mate... BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.30 19:06:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:The Vaga is getting buffed at nearly everything and people are complaining about how worthless it is now; I remain confused. nearly everything what? He is being buffed on a signle thing.. on a scenario that no vaga pilot stick its vaga ever... Pretty sure the standard Vaga has had an ASB on it since they were introduced mate... Everything has. I'd rather see less ASBs, I loved the old shield tanking method. But CCP is encouraging it.
Asb's are ********. (Really CCP, thats a censored word? wtf? Fine ASB's are Idiotic..)
Would like to see them changed to have the same mechanics as AAR's. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.07.30 20:11:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:The Vaga is getting buffed at nearly everything and people are complaining about how worthless it is now; I remain confused. nearly everything what? He is being buffed on a signle thing.. on a scenario that no vaga pilot stick its vaga ever... Pretty sure the standard Vaga has had an ASB on it since they were introduced mate... An XL takes too much compromise to fit, and a Large is too terrible to fit. TLDR ASB Vaga? No way, buffer ftw.
Large asb's are too bad? What? An unloaded LASB gives you twice the raw shield HP as a LSE with that bonus.....
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Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:30:00 -
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2 rep bonused command ships (Where its a useless bonus)
But no rep bonused HAC (Where its a useful bonus)
Why CCP, Why? BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:33:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hi guys
Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc.
I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours.
Is this where you give the deimos a rep bonus ? =D BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:06:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Alright, I'm still kind of out of it and I'll probably give another check-in here after the weekend, but here's where I stand for now:
I think our biggest concern is the Deimos. While the combination of the new layout and speed, added to the rail buff probably makes for a skirmisher that will be extremely powerful, we do appreciate the fact that a lot of people feel disappointed with it as an in-your-face brawler. I think the expected performance as a brawler varies quite a bit based on what kind of PVP you like (what size etc), but I would like to push it back towards that role in some way. We want to at least give back some of the base hp in armor, maybe at the cost of some of the added shield hp. I don't have numbers for this yet but I'll get them to you guys early next week. The other thing I would really like to do is give the Deimos an armor rep bonus. I think it could fit in nicely as a replacement for the MWD cap use bonus as long as the cap recharge is high enough that the kiting fits are handicapped. This wouldn't have much affect on large fleet AHAC type application, but would open up more possibilities at small scale. It also fits really well racially compared to the cap use bonus which is sort of unusual. I'm sure a lot of you won't love an active bonus because it doesn't apply to your style of play, but it would come in at little-to-no cost and offer smaller scale fighters more diversity and a more efficient brawler.
I GOT THROUGH!
\o/ (Yes i'm taking full credit >=[)
Then i don't really have anything else to complain about with the HAC's.
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Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:14:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Alright, I'm still kind of out of it and I'll probably give another check-in here after the weekend, but here's where I stand for now:
I think our biggest concern is the Deimos. While the combination of the new layout and speed, added to the rail buff probably makes for a skirmisher that will be extremely powerful, we do appreciate the fact that a lot of people feel disappointed with it as an in-your-face brawler. I think the expected performance as a brawler varies quite a bit based on what kind of PVP you like (what size etc), but I would like to push it back towards that role in some way. We want to at least give back some of the base hp in armor, maybe at the cost of some of the added shield hp. I don't have numbers for this yet but I'll get them to you guys early next week. The other thing I would really like to do is give the Deimos an armor rep bonus. I think it could fit in nicely as a replacement for the MWD cap use bonus as long as the cap recharge is high enough that the kiting fits are handicapped. This wouldn't have much affect on large fleet AHAC type application, but would open up more possibilities at small scale. It also fits really well racially compared to the cap use bonus which is sort of unusual. I'm sure a lot of you won't love an active bonus because it doesn't apply to your style of play, but it would come in at little-to-no cost and offer smaller scale fighters more diversity and a more efficient brawler. I GOT THROUGH! \o/ (Yes i'm taking full credit >=[) Then i don't really have anything else to complain about with the HAC's. Ishtar is still stuck with sentry blobbing or lol heavy drones. Complain about that. Maybe the sacrilege's lowslots as well, if you want.
Ehh i have enough things to complain about with the link "nerf"
I'm not quite bitter enough to get something i like and just go straight to whining about other things :P BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:00:00 -
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What the **** is wrong with you people?
The Proposed vagabond is fantastic.. Stop being so damn awful.. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:16:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:What the **** is wrong with you people?
The Proposed vagabond is fantastic.. Stop being so damn awful.. No, its a fantastic brawler, (nealry) no vaga pilot wants the vaga to be a good brawler, we want a good kiter, and as a kiter the vaga still is ****.
How is being as fast as a scythe navy, having good dps and reasonable projection while having 25k ehp and over 500 dps tanked bad as a kiter?
Seriously, LSE LASB fits are really quite good on that thing.. I don't really get why people are obsessed with trying to make it a really gimpy XL asb brawler. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:48:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harvey James wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harvey James wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Did some checking, sentries on a Dominix will out track medium, artillery and Railguns and only heavy beam laser II 3 omnis on lv5 domi gets 0.9 tracking pretty much the same as barrage on 425's using garde's II at 80km plus That is .09 which is still only greater than the same things. Well it tracks better than a Null blaster Talos which can do nasty things at 16km nevermind at 80km Until you put 3 tracking computers on the Talos then they track about the same.
a talos cannot get close to the range/tracking on gardes.
Stop bullshitting. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.07 08:16:00 -
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Leontyne Gaterau wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Added Armor Repair amount bonus
Can you just get rid of local rep bonuses they are idiotic tia
**** off! Not every ship has to be blob friendly >=[ BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.07 12:51:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Another small update
Vagabond powergrid raised to 900 (+45) Zealot CPU raised to 340 (+20)
I didn't know the Zealot needed more fittings.
To make beam fits more comfy i suppose? BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:17:00 -
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Sacrilige should get an application bonus instead of the range bonus.
aHac's can **** off, they already have the zealot. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Garviel Tarrant
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Devon Weeks wrote:Quote:Time to get on Sisi and take the new Gallente ships out for a spin. Take it from someone who's been getting blown up repeatedly and taking targets with me in the new Deimos. It's just swell. This is my favorite hull. I've only really gotten to upengage battleship fleets with booster support, but a buddy of mine and I in two Deimos not 10 minutes ago just fought a Sleipner, Astarte, three Vagabonds, and a geddon. We actually lasted under neut and fire through three kills before going down. Can't really ask for much else. Excellent, CCP. These are true front line hulls now. Well, at least I'm happy. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me why I'm wrong. Yes i am, if you go OMG that ship is amazing the devs did something wrong. That only happens if stuff is op (look at ABCs, everyone was super happy about them, compare them to the new dessies, nearly no one was hyped which is a clear sign that they are nicely done). And it doesnt strike you as op as hell if 2 deimos can take 2 cs, 3 hacs and 1 bs up front and kill 3 ships ebfore they die?
From what ive seen on the test server: Deimos is to good, ishtar (with sentrys) is to good, zealot is way to slow and gets totally replaced by the legion for brawling and by the Nomen for kiting, sacrilege is good (mayve a bit to strong, not sure). Vaga is a amazing anti kiting ship yet sucks still as a kiter , muninn is utter crap i fear, cerb is good 450dps at 70km with rlmls or 700 at 40km not sure if not to good, cant judge eagle from flying or fighting it but i think it could be a monster in fleets. Railbuff + deimos is over the top, and stop seeding unique ships on the server (and caps of all kinds).
Make the "No caps" system the default system you get moved into
The test server... uhm... inhabitants? Yes lets go with that.. Yea they are awful. Back when i was testing the Talwar a vindicator i had tackled warped a thanatos on grid to rep him -_-
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Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2013.12.12 07:08:00 -
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Denson022 wrote:Is it intended for let's say the Deimos to be able to tank 6 cruiser gang (including HAC) while neuted, or a BS a BC and another HAC, kill em all and go out. In the last example we are talking about ~900-1000 applied DPS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-4SJALYGINice video - but what suprised me is that even neuted it can tank about 350-400 DPS.. And whats more interesting is that it tanks more than the vaga can while both have 7.5% bonus. I think the Vaga really needs a 5 th slot. I understand the buff to cap recharge but then why Command ships don't have a better cap recharge than the one of the HAC? Bigger ship, also Tech 2, more cap pool and more cap recharge than the ship class below.
Thats just active tank for you.
Look at what a maelstrom can do.
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